February 18 — private draft; approximate subtitle timings.
Unclear words remain marked. Existing release omissions and endpoint retained.

[00:00:00.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Are you feeling okay? Kyle, how are you?
Kyle Moring: Pretty good, how are you?
City Manager Rob Vine: Good. Good to see you.
[00:00:04.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Don't want to get too far away. What I'm going to do, I'm recording this for you and so we can transcribe everything.
[00:00:09.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: And I'm sorry, I canceled everything but this today because I'm not feeling well.
[00:00:13.000] Kyle Moring: Oh, that's fine.
[00:00:15.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Hopefully it is.
[00:00:17.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Should it pick it up on this thing?
[00:00:20.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Sure.
[00:00:21.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Is it this here?
Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: Yeah.
[00:00:22.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Okay.
Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: I know, I'm going to share it with you later.
[00:00:24.000] City Manager Rob Vine: I've already seen it.
[00:00:25.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: Okay.
City Manager Rob Vine: I lived it.
[00:00:27.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: I know.
[00:00:28.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: I had a person never spoken to in my life call me yesterday and wanted me to read that.
[00:00:32.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Yeah.
[00:00:33.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Yeah.
[00:00:34.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Yeah, well I'll be happy to share whatever you need to know about it.
[00:00:37.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: So what we were going to do is basically...
[00:00:40.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: More than anything, this meeting right here is for us to find out exactly what you want from us and for us to find out if we can provide it for you. Right?
[00:00:47.000] Kyle Moring: Okay.
[00:00:48.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: I got, um, something from, uh, Candias where she was saying that there were some emails that you were worried about that you weren't getting.
[00:01:02.000] Kyle Moring: Yeah, I mean, well, there's a number of them. I mean...
[00:01:05.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Well, so here's the deal with what, what she told me, though, is that she said that you gave her, um, you gave her some keywords to search up on for the emails, right?
[00:01:16.000] Kyle Moring: Mhmm.
[00:01:17.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: And then she got with our IT guy and the IT guy, um, per those keywords, those were the only emails that she could find. Or, I'm sorry, he could find.
[00:01:27.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: So I was telling her what we need. If you feel like, and there could definitely be a hundred more emails out there, right?
[00:01:34.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Those are not meeting those keywords.
[00:01:48.000] Kyle Moring: So, I mean, I feel like I gave pretty specific instructions, you know, for him to run. It's Shawn Bryan, right?
[00:01:56.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Seth.
[00:01:57.000] Kyle Moring: Seth Bryan? Well, I think there's a Shawn Bryan too, isn't there?
[00:02:00.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: I only know Seth.
[00:02:01.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Might be his brother.
[00:02:02.000] Kyle Moring: There's a couple.
[00:02:05.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: There's two, yeah.
[00:02:08.000] Kyle Moring: But,
[00:02:08.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Seth is the one we work with.
[00:02:11.000] Kyle Moring: Uh, because they, they're from Sulphur Springs. Uh, but it's basically the, the keywords.
[00:02:13.000] Kyle Moring: I mean, there's multiple, multiple of my own emails that are not produced in the records that I know.
[00:02:17.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: With those keywords?
[00:02:18.000] Kyle Moring: Yeah, that I, I sent. And it's like, if that's a retention issue, that's a whole nother problem that's, I can't, you know, fix...
[00:02:27.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Well, retention, I mean, how far do you think?
[00:02:29.000] Kyle Moring: I mean, since— I think all I asked for was, I don't remember exactly for that one, but—
[00:02:35.000] City Manager Rob Vine: There was one I think was one of the last ones, June?
[00:02:38.000] Kyle Moring: Yeah, one of them was June and the other one I think was like 20—, for Walmart-related ones, like 2024. And some of them were from 2022 that got produced, but there was only 19 emails that were Walmart-related and I know for sure there's... there's more than that.
[00:03:01.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: So do you know—
[00:03:02.000] Kyle Moring: But it's like, it's not— the burden's not on me. Like, I'm not— My whole point is I’m trying to get anything
[00:03:04.444] Kyle Moring: that comes under that scope.
[00:03:05.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: So the, the burden is on you for providing exactly what you want.
[00:03:09.000] Kyle Moring: And I did.
[00:03:10.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: So, well, you gave keywords, right? And the keywords that are— there's no reason for the IT guy to conspire against you, there's no reason for her to, or him. I mean, we want to find whatever we can find for you.
[00:03:20.000] Kyle Moring: Right.
[00:03:21.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: So if you could tell us, well, I know an email, like the emails you're talking about, ones with your keywords, I know I sent an email on this day with these keywords and it's not showing up for me, then that would at least be able to give us a trail to maybe find out exactly what's going on with the keyword search.
[00:03:38.000] Kyle Moring: Well, I mean, I also said just run like @Walmart, @Wal-Mart.com, that way you get the domain. If you run the domain, it should capture everything. The keywords are just kind of, you know, to help capture all that.
[00:03:53.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: But that's moving more into the reign of research and that's not what she's supposed to do.
[00:03:57.000] Kyle Moring: That's not research.
[00:04:01.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: You're not telling us exactly what you need.
[00:04:04.000] Kyle Moring: I said I want everything with the domain Walmart. I can request that.
[00:04:10.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Yeah, but if you're missing something and we're running what you say you want ran right?
[00:04:17.000] Kyle Moring: So I've requested multiple times search methodology that is being ran. It's never been produced. Ever.
[00:04:25.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: So maybe if we got you the raw data, is that what you're talking about?
[00:04:28.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: What that actually... He runs that?
[00:04:30.000] Kyle Moring: Yeah, I want to see what is actually being ran because it doesn't make sense.
[00:04:38.000] Kyle Moring: And it's, I think the biggest thing... I've prepared some of the stuff that I was going to ask that's related to the record request.
[00:04:42.000] Kyle Moring: And I think the biggest thing so like for those, for instance, I sent those on December 30th.
[00:04:57.000] Kyle Moring: The one related to my name was 366 emails.
[00:05:01.000] Kyle Moring: The one related to Walmart was 19 emails.
[00:05:04.000] Kyle Moring: You know, the search methodology, nothing was produced when I requested it. They just stopped responding.
[00:05:12.000] Kyle Moring: And I don't understand like the disparity in the volume because some of the emails the
[00:05:18.000] Kyle Moring: city, you know, has produced part of the thread before.
[00:05:22.000] Kyle Moring: And I'm asking for the whole thing, you know, native format.
[00:05:26.400] Kyle Moring: They weren’t in this one, which doesn’t make sense to me.
[00:05:30.000] Kyle Moring: I asked about the custodians searched and the systems like you know also that he
[00:05:35.000] Kyle Moring: ran it through it's never been produced for anything and I've requested that multiple times.
[00:05:41.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: you're wanting specifically what what he ran to get it
[00:05:46.000] Kyle Moring: yeah because I want to figure out why they're not producing a lot of these records and
[00:05:52.000] Kyle Moring: Kind of like the print to scan thing. Austin Beck, you know, has said multiple times that the city does not have the ability to electronically export stuff.
[00:06:03.000] Kyle Moring: And that, I mean, I've requested IT documentation for that.
[00:06:07.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: For what?
[00:06:09.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Like, what is he saying we don't have the ability to do?
[00:06:11.000] Kyle Moring: So the print to scan thing, that's a big issue with like TPIA.
[00:06:16.000] Kyle Moring: And because it kind of puts more of a cost on anything and it erases the metadata.
[00:06:22.000] Kyle Moring: Like we talked at the – I mentioned the city council meeting. Yeah.
[00:06:27.000] Kyle Moring: April Nipp has said the same thing about MPPD stuff. She said they do not have the
[00:06:32.000] Kyle Moring: ability to do data sharing or do mass downloads, anything of the sort. I
[00:06:39.000] Kyle Moring: requested multiple times. Austin Beck said the city software does not allow
[00:06:43.000] Kyle Moring: for electronic exports to be exported or electronic records to be exported. They
[00:06:48.000] Kyle Moring: must be printed and scanned to PDFs. but a lot of the PDF metadata that you find on stuff for the city council
[00:06:54.000] Kyle Moring: agendas,
[00:06:56.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Inside the PDF?
[00:06:59.000] Kyle Moring: yeah, there's an ability to do it.
[00:07:02.000] Kyle Moring: And the city pays for a subscription of Adobe PDF.
[00:07:05.000] Kyle Moring: It's on the financial transparency site.
[00:07:10.000] Kyle Moring: And it does, It's odd to me that for these type of records, they just can't do it.
[00:07:17.000] Kyle Moring: I understand if it's like old files, because then yeah, the systems probably weren't around.
[00:07:22.000] Kyle Moring: But all the new stuff like the HSGov and the Tyler Technologies for the MyGov that the building department uses...
[00:07:31.000] Kyle Moring: all those programs have built in export capabilities I've already researched it
[00:07:37.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: I think everything does.
[00:07:40.000] Kyle Moring: right and I've been told over and over and over again it doesn't another thing you know this is kind of tied into just the the biggest thing that this is the one I really want to know
[00:07:50.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: So that was just so I am clear. That was emails and documents?
[00:07:53.841] Kyle Moring: Yeah it was both.
[00:07:55.023] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Okay, So do you feel like there’s anything on the document side that you’re missing?
[00:07:59.455] Kyle Moring: I mean, yeah, I’ve got a lot of it here.
[00:08:02.409] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Specifically?
[00:08:03.000] Kyle Moring: Very specific stuff.
[00:08:06.000] Kyle Moring: The big thing that this is more generalized is I've asked for public interest fee waivers.
[00:08:12.000] Kyle Moring: repeatedly, you know, for some of the bigger record requests.
[00:08:17.000] Kyle Moring: And honestly, you know, I don't understand why it's being denied.
[00:08:22.000] Kyle Moring: Austin Beck has told me, you know, the city does not believe that it's in the public's interest.
[00:08:27.000] Kyle Moring: But I disagree. My June 25th, you know, 2025 request concerned the roofing permits and the roof replacement at Walmart
[00:08:36.000] Kyle Moring: and the construction permits and everything else. The state, you know, already found that Walmart was not in compliance with asbestos regulations.
[00:08:46.000] Kyle Moring: There was no current asbestos survey for the roof materials on file.
[00:08:51.000] Kyle Moring: I figured that out. And it's like, one, that's an issue because...
[00:08:56.000] Kyle Moring: whoever allowed the permit to be issued didn't care about that or didn't catch it.
[00:09:01.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: So I was told that there wasn't any asbestos in that area only on the, there is asbestos there, but it was on the...
[00:09:10.000] Kyle Moring: So that's where they found it, but there was 18,000 square feet of roof already taken off. so you can't prove if there wasn't any.
[00:09:22.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Oh, so they didn't do that before the roof was taken?
[00:09:25.000] Kyle Moring: No. There was a stop work order.
[00:09:28.000] Kyle Moring: And then another thing is Thomas Brouillard, the contractor. The state came out, asked him for the asbestos
[00:09:35.412] Kyle Moring: survey he said you know we don’t have you know we didn’t know we needed one.
[00:09:42.000] Kyle Moring: And on his files that he filed with the state,
[00:09:45.000] Kyle Moring: he put that the demolition started on July 1st. And... It did not. The roof work started around June 25th.
[00:09:53.000] Kyle Moring: And that's a whole other issue in itself,
[00:09:56.000] Kyle Moring: which I know that's not your guys' thing, but it's just... the construction permits themselves for the roof,
[00:10:04.000] Kyle Moring: I record requested them. I was up at the store the next day, saw the code compliance truck by automotive. I took a picture of it. And the next day, they sent me the roof permit.
[00:10:14.000] Kyle Moring: There's no issue date on it. I asked, what's the deal with the issue date?
[00:10:18.000] Kyle Moring: And they said it was paid for on the 26th
[00:10:21.000] Kyle Moring: and then issued on the 27th, I believe.
[00:10:23.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Mhm.
[00:10:24.000] Kyle Moring: And what's crazy is they'd already started the roof work before that.
[00:10:28.000] Kyle Moring: And according to the Code of Ordinances, you're supposed to already have the permit taken care of. That would make sense, yeah.
[00:10:37.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: That would make sense, yeah.
[00:10:39.000] Kyle Moring: That same thing with the permit when I started looking at the valuation of everything this was on another record
[00:10:43.545] Kyle Moring: request
[00:10:44.000] Kyle Moring: it was valued at like I think 560,000
[00:10:48.000] Kyle Moring: And there was emails between...
[00:10:51.000] City Manager Rob Vine: $520,499.
[00:10:53.000] Kyle Moring: And uh Regina Reynolds was talking to Thomas Brouillard and he gave the full amount for the valuation you know
[00:11:02.545] Kyle Moring: he believed it to be.
[00:11:04.932] Kyle Moring: Was that $960,000?
[00:11:06.364] Kyle Moring: It was $900 something…
[00:11:08.273] City Manager Rob Vine: 95. Nine, nine-fifty.
[00:11:09.705] Kyle Moring: And they said we only want the lower cost.
[00:11:14.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Clarification. This includes labor.
[00:11:17.000] Kyle Moring: Well, technically, a lot of the other ones have included labor, from what I can tell.
[00:11:22.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Yeah, at one point, we just charged, or we just did the materials, not materials and labor. For the permit.
[00:11:30.000] Kyle Moring: Okay, so well, either or. The actual permit fee assessed was not correct. If you do the equation to the Code of Ordinances, it was undercharged. They undercollected the permit fee. And, you know, when I started looking at other permits from Walmart, no fees assessed at all listed on it.
[00:11:55.000] Kyle Moring: And then when I asked, you know, they said that's all that we've got.
[00:11:58.000] Kyle Moring: So like the huge remodels, nothing, no fees at all.
[00:12:03.000] Kyle Moring: And that's a lot of money that the city is losing out on.
[00:12:06.000] Kyle Moring: And it's like, that doesn't even hurt me, but it's like, why is Walmart being treated differently than someone else?
[00:12:14.000] Kyle Moring: So I record requested all the construction permits for 2025.
[00:12:19.000] Kyle Moring: And then they tell me it's $1,700 to get those files.
[00:12:24.000] Kyle Moring: And that's still a cost complaint with the Attorney General right now.
[00:12:32.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Just for 2025?
[00:12:35.000] Kyle Moring: I really just wanted to see, you know,
[00:12:39.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: for 2025?
[00:12:41.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: You want the ones for Walmart?
[00:12:42.000] Kyle Moring: No, no, no. Just around the city.
[00:12:45.000] Kyle Moring: Just the construction, commercial construction permits.
[00:12:48.000] Kyle Moring: Because I wanted to see if there's any, like, variance of how Walmart is getting, you know, fees or fines or whatever compared to everyone else.
[00:12:55.000] City Manager Rob Vine: So do you have the building permit
[00:12:59.000] City Manager Rob Vine: for 2311 South Jefferson.
[00:13:03.000] City Manager Rob Vine: That was, the valuation was $520,499,
[00:13:07.000] City Manager Rob Vine: And they paid $3,250.
[00:13:10.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Do you have that on the 26th of June?
[00:13:14.000] City Manager Rob Vine: And what's your... opinion on that number being low?
[00:13:21.000] Kyle Moring: Well, I gave it to you on that USB drive. There's a spreadsheet.
[00:13:23.000] City Manager Rob Vine: There's 300-something documents on there as well.
[00:13:26.000] Kyle Moring: Yeah, but there's one that's a spreadsheet called a detailed permanent analysis, but and it's a breakdown of each one.
[00:13:33.000] Kyle Moring: And all the files are on there, but the memorandum and the summary that I gave you
[00:13:39.000] Kyle Moring: have them hyperlinked as exhibits,
[00:13:42.000] Kyle Moring: explaining the importance of each.
[00:13:45.000] Kyle Moring: Let me see...
[00:13:49.000] City Manager Rob Vine: and when we're dealing with
[00:13:52.000] City Manager Rob Vine: hundreds and hundreds of documents and yes you put some things together if you have a smoking gun and I'll just use that because that's everybody understands what that is if you have that, bring it in and hand it to us.
[00:14:04.000] City Manager Rob Vine: It makes things so much easier.
[00:14:07.000] Kyle Moring: Well, I mean, it's in the memorandum. I mean, it's like the TDLR stuff with John Ankrum and Juan Ramirez.
[00:14:12.000] Kyle Moring: I flagged that because Juan Ramirez's hire date is definitely not what John Ankrum put on the TDLR paperwork.
[00:14:21.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Okay.
[00:14:22.000] Kyle Moring: And then when I asked about Juan Ramirez, what happened to him or anything, nobody ever responded.
[00:14:29.000] Kyle Moring: And it's because he was the one with John Ankrum conducting a lot of the inspections that had no documentation on them at all or very minimal.
[00:14:38.000] Kyle Moring: And he would come in and I'll show you this.
[00:14:52.000] Kyle Moring: So... so he comes in on July 9th gives a perfect grade
[00:15:19.000] Kyle Moring: so
[00:15:26.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: I've never used this one, but...
[00:15:37.000] Kyle Moring: yeah that should be it
[00:15:37.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: so it's still
[00:15:37.000] Kyle Moring: yeah go to Mac
[00:15:49.000] Kyle Moring: so on the city inspection findings you know he gave it a hundred
[00:16:01.000] Kyle Moring: Why is it not doing it?
[00:16:11.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Hold on one second.
[00:16:14.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Is that a Mac?
[00:16:16.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Is that a Mac or a PC?
[00:16:17.000] Kyle Moring: It's a Mac. Maybe this is it. Not that one though. Nevermind, I got it.
[00:16:25.000] Kyle Moring: So he gives a hundreds. This is the same time that this was literally going on.
[00:16:36.000] Kyle Moring: There was no preventative measures taken.
[00:16:42.000] Kyle Moring: They're supposed to have dust barriers and everything when they're doing the roof replacement.
[00:16:46.000] Kyle Moring: This was all actively falling on food, produce, all those little white specks.
[00:16:51.000] Kyle Moring: There's fibers everywhere.
[00:16:54.000] Kyle Moring: Like. Oh it's not showing. The...
[00:17:02.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: So you feel like the code enforcement people weren't doing their job, or you feel like this is something that Walmart should have been doing?
[00:17:07.000] Kyle Moring: I mean, both.
[00:17:10.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: I don't know. I'm just asking.
[00:17:12.000] Kyle Moring: It's like, everyone's... Try and spin it like I just have an issue with Walmart.
[00:17:16.000] Kyle Moring: It's like, no, it's a lack of accountability on all parties.
[00:17:21.000] Kyle Moring: I mean, he came in there three separate times and wrote letters for Walmart saying there was preventative measures in place and that he did not observe any violations and then sent that to the state.
[00:17:34.000] Kyle Moring: Juan Ramirez's name was on it, but John Ankrum was with him.
[00:17:51.000] Kyle Moring: It was all the clothes. I mean, all this stuff. Just everywhere. You looked. And it was actively falling on people.
[00:17:58.000] Kyle Moring: I mean, I've got videos of it to where it was falling on people as they walked and shopped.
[00:18:02.000] Kyle Moring: And then he signs a letter saying,
[00:18:05.000] Kyle Moring: Nope, none observed. And what that does, I'll be honest, to me, is if some of this stuff is the stuff I've raised concerns about, and it really didn't involve the city, that is making it seem like I'm not telling the truth about what's going on. Because all the state cares about, they told me.
[00:18:27.000] Kyle Moring: I've got tons of emails. They said, well, the local health jurisdiction said it's resolved.
[00:18:32.000] Kyle Moring: So we're not opening it back up. We're not opening the complaint. We're not reinspecting.
[00:18:39.000] Kyle Moring: And that was that.
[00:18:41.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: Who's the local health that signed off on it?
[00:18:44.000] Kyle Moring: Juan Ramirez. And John.
[00:18:47.000] Kyle Moring: Technically, I guess, Lynn.
[00:18:53.000] Kyle Moring: But it's... Because the asbestos report, you know, I sent it to you guys.
[00:19:00.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Well, as far as I know, as far as dealing with any of the asbestos stuff, we don't handle any of that, right?
[00:19:08.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: I heard that's a special group that...
[00:19:10.000] Kyle Moring: Yeah, it's with the state.
[00:19:16.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: So is he supposed to be called in and didn't get called in?
[00:19:19.000] Kyle Moring: No, I called him in.
[00:19:20.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: No, no, I mean for them, before they started.
[00:19:27.000] Kyle Moring: Anyone, any company, any residential site, if they believe there's asbestos and there's not an up-to-date asbestos survey, you're supposed to get it done within 10 days notice.
[00:19:39.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Especially if it pre-dates a certain year.
[00:19:47.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: That's why somebody said it was weird.
[00:19:49.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: It was weird that there would be asbestos in it.
[00:19:51.000] City Manager Rob Vine: I want to say that it's 76 or 77.
[00:19:56.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Is that date, that if it's pre this date,
[00:19:59.000] City Manager Rob Vine: you automatically have to have an inspection That's what I was wondering.
[00:20:02.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: So you were there videoing this stuff falling, right?
[00:20:05.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: Did you sweep some up?
[00:20:07.000] Kyle Moring: I got some, yeah. But they won't test it. They have to be the ones that do it.
[00:20:12.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: If you swept it up, they couldn't get it from anywhere.
[00:20:16.000] Kyle Moring: It's a...And on top of that, like, you know, the stop work order ended.
[00:20:19.000] Kyle Moring: They tested it. They found out on the 11th that there was asbestos. They got the violations on the 24th of July.
[00:20:24.000] Kyle Moring: But nothing was put into place to, like, correct or abate the asbestos.
[00:20:31.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Even after they found it.
[00:20:34.000] Kyle Moring: And, you know, anytime I would try to reach out to the state about stuff like this, they would just say, well, you know, especially with the food, it's been resolved, it says.
[00:20:45.000] Kyle Moring: It's been resolved.
[00:20:47.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Did they tell you how it was resolved?
[00:20:48.000] Kyle Moring: I mean, it's just based off the letters.
[00:20:58.000] City Manager Rob Vine: requests that we're getting?
[00:20:58.000] Kyle Moring: Oh yes.
[00:20:58.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Are they responding? How does that work?
[00:20:58.000] Kyle Moring: They respond, but it's like they came here on the 17th, or I guess they did the online meeting, and I'm sure they don't like me at all, because they kept
[00:21:16.000] Kyle Moring: saying, no, we're not going to reopen the complaint.
[00:21:19.000] Kyle Moring: I said, how?
[00:21:21.000] Kyle Moring: I've sent you evidence binders full of stuff showing the store was, the food was temping over, even the new coolers. They had these gray absorbent socks
[00:21:32.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: I remember reading that.
[00:21:36.000] Kyle Moring: I mean, there was tons of stuff that was going wrong. and I just kept sending it, and the Food and Drug Director, Sofia Stifflemire, said,
[00:21:44.000] Kyle Moring: we're not opening it back up. We reviewed it due to the local health jurisdiction. It's closed.
[00:21:49.000] Kyle Moring: And then I said, well, right now there's a lapse in government funding, so the federal government can't do anything about it.
[00:21:55.000] Kyle Moring: So it falls back on you guys.
[00:21:59.000] Kyle Moring: And she said, well, since there's a federal investigation, we're going to let that,
[00:22:03.000] Kyle Moring: let them take over. And I felt like that was just passing the buck along, if you want me to be honest.
[00:22:08.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Is there a federal investigation going on?
[00:22:10.000] Kyle Moring: Yeah. I mean, I've said it a million times. I've got an 11(c) and FSMA whistleblower complaint,
[00:22:17.000] Kyle Moring: an investigation.
[00:22:19.000] City Manager Rob Vine: correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a whistleblower someone who currently works at a
[00:22:23.000] Kyle Moring: doesn't have to be
[00:22:26.000] Kyle Moring: well I did internal whistleblowing, which I can show you that
[00:22:29.000] City Manager Rob Vine: no that's ok, I'm just asking
[00:22:32.000] City Manager Rob Vine: my clarification
[00:22:32.000] Kyle Moring: because I wanted to show that it's not just been
[00:22:35.000] Kyle Moring: specifically about Walmart let's see
[00:22:39.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: so are you feeling because you were doing this that you actually got let go
[00:22:45.000] Kyle Moring: I mean, I'm not going to talk about the...
[00:22:47.000] Kyle Moring: I can't really talk about the investigation.
[00:22:49.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Well, I mean, I was just curious.
[00:22:51.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: I'm trying to figure out what the endgame is, right?
[00:22:57.000] Kyle Moring: Hmm?
[00:22:57.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: So, from us, right?
[00:23:01.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: From us, we'll see if we can do some research and stuff on the permits and...
[00:23:09.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Is that all for 2025?
[00:23:13.000] City Manager Rob Vine: It's just the one in question that he said was undervalued or undercharged.
[00:23:20.000] Kyle Moring: Yeah, I have the breakdown of the spreadsheet.
[00:23:23.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: I mean, if that's electronic, why would it be $1,700 bucks?
[00:23:27.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: If it's all electronic, is it electronic? I don't know.
[00:23:30.000] Kyle Moring: That's separate from that. The commercial permits is similar but not the same.
[00:23:36.000] Kyle Moring: Okay. Because I said all I really wanted was the breakdown of the valuations.
[00:23:42.000] Kyle Moring: And they said they don't have that in their system to be able to produce that way.
[00:23:46.000] Kyle Moring: Then they said something about if they searched it up, they couldn't meet the criteria that I was asking.
[00:23:53.000] Kyle Moring: Well, I asked for all of them. And then I asked for any of them over $50,000.
[00:23:59.000] Kyle Moring: And they said they didn't have the ability to do that.
[00:24:03.000] Kyle Moring: Okay.
[00:24:03.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Code enforcement?
[00:24:05.000] Kyle Moring: Well, Candias. And Austin. Nobody ever talked to me. On June 30th, Candias sent out an email saying,
[00:24:14.000] Kyle Moring: if this guy asks you anything, don't answer and refer it back to me.
[00:24:21.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: I'm just a normal guy. He's just a normal guy. If we said something... I mean, that's why I'm learning everything... Everything you're telling me, I mean I know some of it, right?
[00:24:32.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Some of what I've read, but when we have our lawyer involved, our lawyer needs to be the mouthpiece to make sure that we say what we need.
[00:24:40.000] City Manager Rob Vine: A singular point of contact.
[00:24:41.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Yeah, a singular point of contact. So we have our lawyer involved, she's the one that tells us, Candias tells us that.
[00:24:49.000] Kyle Moring: No, that makes sense to me, but it doesn't make sense to me that...
[00:24:54.600] Kyle Moring: Almost every single record request has been you know it a few have been produced within you know four or five
[00:25:01.180] Kyle Moring: business days the rest 10 business days every time
[00:25:05.000] City Manager Rob Vine: You have to admit there has been an exorbitant amount of requests.
[00:25:07.000] Kyle Moring: But there’s been a ton of requests that have said no responsive at all.
[00:25:12.167] Kyle Moring: Or what’s produced, it’s like, how is this it with your guys...
[00:25:16.595] Kyle Moring: I’ve got the retention policies, the record retention policies for the city. That means they’re not being
[00:25:22.869] Kyle Moring: followed.
[00:25:23.607] Kyle Moring: And it’s when I ask these questions, you know, either Austin Beck says, ‘Well, we don’t have to answer that,’ or
[00:25:31.357] Kyle Moring: it’s ‘no responsive.’ And that doesn’t make sense to me.
[00:25:35.048] Kyle Moring: But I mean, there’s more things on here.
[00:25:38.000] Kyle Moring: One of the ones I want to touch base on is the MPPD stuff.
[00:25:45.000] Kyle Moring: MPPD stated no such records exist for evidence property intake logs, chain of custody documentation, and supplemental reports regarding the child grooming investigation.
[00:25:56.000] Kyle Moring: For a case involving child grooming, can the city explain why no evidence was logged and no supplemental reports were filed?
[00:26:02.000] City Manager Rob Vine: That's going to be a police question.
[00:26:04.000] Kyle Moring: I mean, they didn't answer.
[00:26:05.000] City Manager Rob Vine: We don't get involved.
[00:26:06.000] Kyle Moring: I said they didn't answer.
[00:26:08.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Well, that is an answer.
[00:26:11.000] City Manager Rob Vine: No, we don't get involved in criminal cases.
[00:26:15.000] City Manager Rob Vine: We can't get involved in criminal cases.
[00:26:17.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: City or police?
[00:26:18.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Well, the police had a criminal case.
[00:26:22.000] City Manager Rob Vine: We don't get involved in that.
[00:26:24.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: That makes sense.
[00:26:29.000] Kyle Moring: I record requested stuff.
[00:26:32.000] Kyle Moring: I requested the Chief's call logs.
[00:26:37.000] Kyle Moring: Because I found out through other record requests,
[00:26:39.000] Kyle Moring: the day I got trespassed from the store, Walmart, was October 22nd.
[00:26:43.000] Kyle Moring: Through other record requests, I found out the activity log for the child grooming case.
[00:26:48.000] Kyle Moring: I reported it on September 10th.
[00:26:51.000] Kyle Moring: Well, technically September 2nd.
[00:26:53.000] Kyle Moring: Emailed it to Mark Miller, Cody Odom.
[00:26:56.000] Kyle Moring: No one responded to me.
[00:26:57.000] Kyle Moring: So on the 5th, I emailed the Chief.
[00:27:00.000] Kyle Moring: He didn't respond, but I got a call from Mark Miller saying, hey, you know, we've got more pressing.
[00:27:06.000] Kyle Moring: We have more pressing concerns right now.
[00:27:11.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: So Walmart's grooming children now?
[00:27:12.750] [Personal discussion omitted. Silence preserves elapsed time.]
[00:29:04.000] Kyle Moring: They just terminated the guy. That's it. No CT or anything else.
[00:29:08.000] Kyle Moring: that didn't sit right with me on top of the fact I have a license for counseling.
[00:29:14.000] Kyle Moring: And so the mandatory reporting stuff, even though it happened, you know,
[00:29:19.000] Kyle Moring: sometime before, I still have to report it.
[00:29:21.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: How old is the kid that they talked to?
[00:29:23.000] Kyle Moring: He was 17.
[00:29:24.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: So he's not 13 then.
[00:29:27.000] City Manager Rob Vine: He's an adult.
[00:29:29.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: Well they fired the guy. He's a 17 year old kid dude.
[00:29:30.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: Let that one go.
[00:29:30.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: Did he rape him?
[00:29:41.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: Cool.
[00:29:41.850] [Personal discussion omitted. Silence preserves elapsed time.]
[00:29:45.000] Kyle Moring: MPPD cleared him exceptionally.
[00:29:46.000] Kyle Moring: They waited from September 10th until October 22nd, 50 minutes after I got trespassed, to even open that case, to even contact anyone.
[00:29:56.000] Kyle Moring: Do you not think that's odd?
[00:29:57.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: Yeah it's a little odd.
[00:30:01.000] Kyle Moring: And then it was closed within 48 hours.
[00:30:03.930] [Personal discussion omitted. Silence preserves elapsed time.]
[00:30:11.000] City Manager Rob Vine: How old was the victim?
[00:30:12.000] Kyle Moring: 17.
[00:30:12.000] City Manager Rob Vine: He's not a...
[00:30:14.000] Kyle Moring: Doesn't matter. Child grooming is a new law, and it's also the electronic text messages.
[00:30:18.000] City Manager Rob Vine: I understand.
[00:30:20.000] City Manager Rob Vine: But technically you're an adult at 17 in the state of Texas.
[00:30:25.000] City Manager Rob Vine: How old was he when it happened?
[00:30:26.000] Kyle Moring: He was 17.
[00:30:28.000] Kyle Moring: But that does not matter.
[00:30:32.000] Kyle Moring: And it's like, I mean, I've already looked at it.
[00:30:34.000] Kyle Moring: The DA recommended child grooming.
[00:30:37.000] Kyle Moring: but it's like, if you're going to try to justify the guy's behaviors or the cops actions,
[00:30:42.000] Kyle Moring: it's like, why would the police not recommend it out to CPS?
[00:30:45.000] Kyle Moring: If they knew I reported it, other people reported him having an active CPS case.
[00:30:50.000] Kyle Moring: They just let it stall and gone. That's it. And then there's no evidence trail, no evidence logged. They had the text messages from the guy,
[00:30:59.000] Kyle Moring: the manager, the Walmart manager sent it to Detective Odom.
[00:31:03.000] Kyle Moring: They said, they don't have it.
[00:31:06.000] Kyle Moring: That's weird when it comes to record retention policies.
[00:31:10.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: Yeah, we should look into that because if he's done it to younger children, that's unacceptable.
[00:31:14.000] Kyle Moring: And that's the thing. It's like...
[00:31:15.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: Well you know then...
[00:31:16.000] Kyle Moring: My thing is...
[00:31:18.250] [Personal discussion omitted. Silence preserves elapsed time.]
[00:31:34.780] City Manager Rob Vine: I don't think anybody here is condoning what he's doing.
[00:31:37.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: No, we're not.
[00:31:37.000] City Manager Rob Vine: At all.
[00:31:38.000] City Manager Rob Vine: I worked sex crimes for two years.
[00:31:40.000] Kyle Moring: I mean, I'm not saying you're condoning.
[00:31:42.000] City Manager Rob Vine: No, it sounds like it.
[00:31:44.000] City Manager Rob Vine: I'm not.
[00:31:45.000] Kyle Moring: It's the fact the way MPPD handled it.
[00:31:49.000] Kyle Moring: Then when I record requested the Chief's phone logs, it's because...
[00:31:53.000] Kyle Moring: Carrie, the old, she retired two weeks ago from Walmart, the store manager, she texted the Chief asking if he could call her.
[00:32:06.000] Kyle Moring: He called her and it was about trespassing me.
[00:32:09.000] Kyle Moring: She bypassed dispatch to do that.
[00:32:17.000] Kyle Moring: I asked for the timestamps, each message to have the timestamps. It's very easy. You slide over on the iPhone and you can see all the timestamps.
[00:32:25.000] Kyle Moring: They sent me hand-typed timestamps.
[00:32:28.000] Kyle Moring: and wanted me to accept that.
[00:32:30.000] Kyle Moring: That's not what I wanted.
[00:32:35.000] Kyle Moring: there's an internal email between the Chief and Candias.
[00:32:39.000] Kyle Moring: She asked for screenshots, native format.
[00:32:41.000] Kyle Moring: He provided timestamps and said no further
[00:32:44.000] Kyle Moring: and said because you would have to redact the people's numbers.
[00:32:48.000] Kyle Moring: Well, that's fine. That doesn't matter. I said that in my record request.
[00:32:53.000] Kyle Moring: Nothing's ever been produced.
[00:32:59.000] Kyle Moring: You know, why would you not be willing?
[00:33:01.000] Kyle Moring: And it's because I requested for the whole week
[00:33:04.000] Kyle Moring: his call logs to see if anything Walmart related
[00:33:08.000] Kyle Moring: was done.
[00:33:11.000] Kyle Moring: Cause. I worked AP up there.
[00:33:14.000] Kyle Moring: I was number four in the country with the amount of theft I stopped, the apprehensions and everything. I have a very good relationship with a lot of police officers. One of the things that was kind of drilled into us
[00:33:25.000] Kyle Moring: was don't be calling them to bypass dispatch
[00:33:30.000] Kyle Moring: because it opens them up to lawsuits and subpoenas and everything else?
[00:33:36.000] City Manager Rob Vine: So I was Chief for eight years.
[00:33:39.000] City Manager Rob Vine: My phone rang constantly.
[00:33:42.000] City Manager Rob Vine: City council members, business owners,
[00:33:46.000] City Manager Rob Vine: anybody that said, hey, I could be out of the city.
[00:33:49.000] City Manager Rob Vine: I could be out of the state. I need an officer over here. Like I'm carrying officers around with me. I could just disperse. And it was because they knew me.
[00:33:57.000] Kyle Moring: Mhm.
[00:33:58.000] City Manager Rob Vine: And they knew that I would get on it and take care of it.
[00:34:01.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Sometimes I would say, "Hey, this is an emergency.
[00:34:05.000] City Manager Rob Vine: "You need to call 911."
[00:34:07.000] City Manager Rob Vine: If it's something like Walmart, for example, I'll send an officer out.
[00:34:12.000] City Manager Rob Vine: I had two council members a few weeks ago call,
[00:34:15.000] City Manager Rob Vine: say, "Hey, there's somebody selling puppies down there by...
[00:34:18.000] Kyle Moring: Yeah, there's an ordinance against it.
[00:34:20.000] City Manager Rob Vine: But they instead of calling dispatch, they called me.
[00:34:24.000] City Manager Rob Vine: I'm not the chief.
[00:34:30.000] City Manager Rob Vine: So that's not an uncommon practice.
[00:34:33.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: No, I wouldn't. I mean, my friend's an assistant chief over in. if you have that relationship yeah
[00:34:38.000] City Manager Rob Vine: and it's not a bad thing
[00:34:39.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: no I don't think so
[00:34:40.000] City Manager Rob Vine: But if you’re the chief, it’s not preferred, as you want them to go through dispatch.
[00:34:45.120] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Yeah.
[00:34:45.760] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: Yeah
[00:34:46.400] City Manager Rob Vine: But also you want to provide that customer service. You don’t say, ‘Hey, I can’t help you. Call dispatch.’ So
[00:34:52.800] City Manager Rob Vine: that’s not uncommon, just so you know. Thats very common.
[00:34:57.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: That's what I was about to say.
[00:34:59.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: he should be able to do his call logs.
[00:35:01.000] City Manager Rob Vine: I was just explaining why.
[00:35:04.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: yeah, no.
[00:35:04.000] City Manager Rob Vine: He's going to answer the phone for Walmart or anybody and he's going to send an officer
[00:35:09.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Yeah, I mean, I agree.
[00:35:12.000] Kyle Moring: you know, he knew about
[00:35:15.000] Kyle Moring: I reported it to him.
[00:35:16.000] Kyle Moring: He also knew, I've mentioned it in the email, the whistleblower stuff.
[00:35:20.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Excuse me.
[00:35:20.000] Kyle Moring: that I feel like compounds it.
[00:35:23.000] Kyle Moring: And then when you look at Beasley's text messages,
[00:35:27.000] Kyle Moring: who, I like Beasley.
[00:35:31.000] Kyle Moring: Let's see.
[00:35:41.000] Kyle Moring: Chief sends him Carrie's number. He says he's been CT'd.
[00:35:46.000] Kyle Moring, recounting a message attributed to Beasley: Then Beasley says, you may give the city a heads up. He's openly admitted he was going to sue the city.
[00:35:52.000] Kyle Moring: I've got the body cam. I never said that. I explained the whole whistleblower process and everything.
[00:35:58.000] Kyle Moring: And then the Chief responds...
[00:36:01.000] Kyle Moring, recounting a reply attributed to the Chief: he can bring it.
[00:36:04.000] Kyle Moring: That's an odd thing to say. Like, I mean, when you know what I'm doing,
[00:36:09.000] Kyle Moring: that is nothing against the city, and he didn't even review the footage before becoming defensive
[00:36:15.000] Kyle Moring: and just accepted what he said. Like, that's weird,
[00:36:21.000] Kyle Moring: given the whole dynamic of everything.
[00:36:25.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: better tell the Chief to quit texting stuff
[00:36:28.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: or anybody else
[00:36:32.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: I I wonder if we're having problems with getting you what you want because it sounds like there's several different things you're going to at
[00:36:41.000] Kyle Moring: Well, I don't think you guys know what I'm going at, but...
[00:36:44.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Well, no, I mean, no, like you've got the health and safety stuff going on with the roof, right?
[00:36:51.000] Kyle Moring: Mm-hmm.
[00:36:51.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: And then you've got the child grooming thing with the [name withheld].
[00:36:57.000] Kyle Moring: [name withheld], yeah.
[00:36:58.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: [name withheld]?
[00:36:58.000] Kyle Moring: Mm-hmm.
[00:37:00.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: I'm more worried about the child grooming than the roof at this point in time.
[00:37:06.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: So what specifically can we help you with? At this point in time
[00:37:11.000] Kyle Moring: I just feel like it needs further investigation or something.
[00:37:19.000] Kyle Moring: they never even contacted [name withheld], never even contacted [county withheld] or anything.
[00:37:24.000] Kyle Moring: He lives in [town withheld]. They didn't contact DFPS. I confirmed that. And then CPS.
[00:37:29.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Can you get with the Chief on that?
[00:37:33.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Yeah, I could give Texas Rangers a phone call.
[00:37:36.000] City Manager Rob Vine: come look at it.
[00:37:37.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: I mean, I prefer we talk to Chief first.
[00:37:42.000] Kyle Moring: That's – from a counseling perspective –
[00:37:45.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: We don't know anything about anything, so I would definitely –
[00:37:47.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: like, I think all of us would like to know and make sure that's squared away, you know, with him because that –
[00:37:53.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: That's not cool.
[00:38:01.000] Kyle Moring: Odom told me initially he was waiting for updates in September when I asked for, like, a couple updates on the case.
[00:38:08.000] Kyle Moring: And he said, I'm waiting for an update. I'll let you know. There was no activity at all until October 22nd after I got CT'd.
[00:38:14.000] Kyle Moring: None.
[00:38:15.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: And then that's when they filed the...
[00:38:17.000] Kyle Moring: Mm-hmm.
[00:38:22.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Do you have a case number?
[00:38:23.000] Kyle Moring: Yeah, it's 25-14954.
[00:38:32.000] Kyle Moring: And like even MPPD's own internal policies, like I've got them, it says you're supposed to report it to DFPS or CPS.
[00:38:46.000] Kyle Moring: but I guess another thing with MPPD stuff was with what Candias produced.
[00:38:52.000] Kyle Moring: I had asked for like the call logs for the phones at MPPD.
[00:38:55.000] Kyle Moring: Cause I was trying to figure out, you know who they talked to. And I told is after I met with you,
[00:39:01.000] Kyle Moring: uh, and I tried to do what you said, like, you know, to at least give him some sort of, you know.
[00:39:08.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Help us? Narrow it down?
[00:39:10.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: So can we get his carrier call log and he can go in and redact the phone numbers that he needs to redact?
[00:39:17.000] Kyle Moring: It wasn’t just that call logs. These, these call logs were from, like, the MPPD lines.
[00:39:21.698] City Manager Rob Vine: The office numbers, yeah.
[00:39:22.873] Kyle Moring: And they only produced, like, six lines. I asked if they could identify them, whose lines they were. Never
[00:39:28.452] Kyle Moring: responded.
[00:39:29.040] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Well, I know just from being in IT, there’s probably one or two trunks coming into this building. So there may
[00:39:35.206] Mayor Wesley Lyon: be an issue with, Maybe internally you might be able to find it, but it’s kind of weird how it works.
[00:39:41.373] Kyle Moring: I just want to know who was assigned
[00:39:43.722] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Oh okay.
[00:39:44.310] Kyle Moring: to the specific phones. But even with that, I asked for all the numbers, and there’s only six lines produced.
[00:39:50.183] Kyle Moring: And there’s more than that. Right. And never received a response on that.
[00:39:54.000] Kyle Moring: Candias the first time sent me the wrong time frame,
[00:39:58.000] Kyle Moring: and then it took another, I guess, week to get the correct one.
[00:40:05.000] Kyle Moring: I submitted a preservation notice on November 3rd just for everything,
[00:40:11.000] Kyle Moring: so nothing was going to get deleted.
[00:40:13.000] Kyle Moring: Never got a response from that.
[00:40:16.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: That was to Candias?
[00:40:17.000] Kyle Moring: Mm-hmm.
[00:40:25.000] Kyle Moring: I mean, I get it with what you're saying about the directives of do not engage and stuff.
[00:40:32.000] Kyle Moring: But with like the TLE construction, I reported that requesting an inspection, specifically said, hey, there's stuff going on here that doesn't look good.
[00:40:41.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: To code enforcement?
[00:40:42.000] Kyle Moring: To code enforcement.
[00:40:45.000] Kyle Moring: I think I copied you on it.
[00:40:46.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: I stopped reading them after the second email.
[00:40:48.000] Kyle Moring: Well, I mean, that's not good.
[00:40:50.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Well, I mean, they're books, right?
[00:40:54.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: I'm being honest with you.
[00:40:56.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: I'm being completely honest with you.
[00:40:57.000] Kyle Moring: I get it. I am just very detailed.
[00:40:58.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: And I'm here, and I want to fix it, but...
[00:41:02.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Honestly, it may be my brain, but I just could not follow it.
[00:41:06.000] Kyle Moring: Hey, I'm glad you're being honest with me.
[00:41:09.000] Kyle Moring: But the thing is with the TLE stuff was I specifically stated OSHA was not able to do anything because the federal lapse in funding.
[00:41:18.000] Kyle Moring: So fell back on you guys.
[00:41:20.000] Kyle Moring: Nobody responded to those.
[00:41:28.000] Kyle Moring: This was after, you know, two weeks of no response.
[00:41:32.000] Kyle Moring: you send out the directive to all you guys saying do not engage.
[00:41:41.000] Kyle Moring: The unpermitted work gets noted by John in the first violation letter,
[00:41:46.000] Kyle Moring: but then he sends, you know, after sending that to Candias,
[00:41:49.000] Kyle Moring: 20 minutes later, sends another email saying Lynn told him to take off the violation for the unpermitted work and only leave the fire alarm key.
[00:41:59.000] Kyle Moring: that's odd.
[00:42:01.000] Kyle Moring: Why would you not collect a fee or a fine for the unpermitted work?
[00:42:09.000] Kyle Moring: It was they were dumping into a dumpster on the property,
[00:42:13.000] Kyle Moring: all the silica and stuff that they were, you know, shaving off.
[00:42:16.000] Kyle Moring: All that oil and stuff they were using was leaking down into the stormwater drain.
[00:42:25.000] Kyle Moring: and it's like I'm not making this stuff up that I send you guys and it's like I know you guys yeah I might seem you know a little over the top with it but it's because I worked there and I know like what's going on
[00:42:40.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: I think for me, it's like information overload.
[00:42:44.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: You know, when intelligence gets just...
[00:42:46.000] Kyle Moring: No, no, trust me.
[00:42:47.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: And it's hard to weed through all of it. That's why I was like, what specifically can we help you with?
[00:42:51.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Like us three, what specifically can we help you with?
[00:42:55.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: Yeah, I mean, I come to talk about a roof, but talking about perverts now.
[00:43:04.000] Kyle Moring: and then I was like, oh, just one thing after another. And it's like, oh, my God, like... And it's, I'll just say this, it's much bigger than just here, the whole issue.
[00:43:14.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Well, and that's what I'm saying, like, what's your, what is your, what's your goal?
[00:43:19.000] Kyle Moring: Accountability.
[00:43:20.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Accountability?
[00:43:25.000] Kyle Moring: He was, you know, it goes Doug McMillon, who retired recently, the CEO, John Furner, who's now the CEO, and then there was five people below him.
[00:43:33.000] Kyle Moring: And Paul Lewellen was one of those. I emailed him in December of 2024 because if you had been in the Walmart, they had totes everywhere, you know, catching rain water and stuff.
[00:43:44.000] Kyle Moring: And I just put it as this is a safety and liability issue. You know, it's my job was to deal with that stuff.
[00:43:49.000] Kyle Moring: I did all the accidents. I did all the theft, all the safety. And I'm like, how do you think anyone wants to come shop here?
[00:43:56.000] Kyle Moring: when you've got to wear a poncho inside or a raincoat?
[00:44:00.000] Kyle Moring: And why do you think anyone would want to work here in those conditions?
[00:44:05.000] Kyle Moring: And from there, you know, it just kind of snowballed.
[00:44:09.000] Kyle Moring: The thing is, a lot of that, I believe, you know,
[00:44:15.000] Kyle Moring: why didn't code enforcement ever do anything about that?
[00:44:17.000] Kyle Moring: I mean, that roof was leaking an insane amount every single year that I worked there.
[00:44:23.000] Kyle Moring: Nothing was done.
[00:44:25.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Oh, so it leaked when it rained every year in certain spots?
[00:44:30.000] Kyle Moring: Oh, it was more than that.
[00:44:31.000] Kyle Moring: I've got photos.
[00:44:35.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Can't speak to that.
[00:44:38.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: I go to Walmart a lot. But I've never been when raining...I've never noticed that myself.
[00:44:46.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: but I just want to say it just for us.
[00:44:49.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: There's no reason we would want to stop you from getting anything.
[00:44:53.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Anything.
[00:44:57.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: If you take Walmart down, I could care less.
[00:44:59.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: I don't like Walmart.
[00:45:00.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: I mean, we're not protecting Walmart, I guarantee you.
[00:45:03.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Yeah, or anyone.
[00:45:05.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: Because you run Walmart off Target will be here tomorrow.
[00:45:09.000] Kyle Moring: I doubt if you want that either.
[00:45:10.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: I don't want that either, but I'm just saying.
[00:45:20.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: to do is we just want to get specific and i've got a couple of things here but we just want
[00:45:24.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: specific directions on how we can help you
[00:45:29.000–00:45:33.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: The emails and stuff like that, we want to help you, so…
[00:45:29.000–00:45:33.000] Kyle Moring: I mean, the big thing with the… [Speaker transition within this cue is not separately timed.]
[00:45:33.000] Kyle Moring: I just want to know what type of search She's running because it doesn't make sense to me
[00:45:40.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: I think that its, I don't see any reason why Shawn, that should be something really easy. This is what I ran,
[00:45:45.500] Speaker unclear: It, it's something yeah this is what I looked for I went by your search criteria
[00:45:49.500] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Yeah, And this is what I put in, this is utility can we get that from him?
[00:45:53.750] City Manager Rob Vine: I would think, or Seth or whoever it is
[00:45:56.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Yeah I mean there is no reason why we can't get that
[00:45:59.000] City Manager Rob Vine: And I'm going to say something.
[00:46:02.000] City Manager Rob Vine: We're being very transparent.
[00:46:04.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Very, very honest.
[00:46:06.000] City Manager Rob Vine: If there was a button that I could push that would give you exactly what you need and you would never give us another...
[00:46:14.000] City Manager Rob Vine: We would push it five times in ten seconds.
[00:46:20.000] City Manager Rob Vine: We just don't know what button that is.
[00:46:23.000] City Manager Rob Vine: And the target seems to be moving.
[00:46:25.000] City Manager Rob Vine: And you're not the only one that's submitting these.
[00:46:27.000] Kyle Moring: It's mainly the Walmart-related stuff. That's all that matters to me.
[00:46:35.000] City Manager Rob Vine: But like you, a little overload, and you probably know the number in your head that you've submitted that are just Walmart-related.
[00:46:44.000] Kyle Moring: Yeah, I mean, a lot of them are no responsive records, which is disturbing because there should be stuff on there.
[00:46:51.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: Are these emails you already have that you sent Walmart?
[00:46:54.000] Kyle Moring: No, no, it's for records requests.
[00:46:56.000] City Manager Rob Vine: There's only so much that he can request until it becomes repetitive.
[00:47:03.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Yeah. And that's what a lot of it looks like. So if it's not...
[00:47:07.000] City Manager Rob Vine: you can put in 50 a day if you want to.
[00:47:13.000] City Manager Rob Vine: that's your right
[00:47:14.000] City Manager Rob Vine: We hope that you don't.
[00:47:15.000] Kyle Moring: No, I mean, I don't want to.
[00:47:17.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: But we're never going to tell you, please don't submit anymore.
[00:47:21.000] City Manager Rob Vine: You know, we can't say that but,...
[00:47:21.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: if we could, I wouldn't want to.
[00:47:26.000] City Manager Rob Vine: But we, we have obviously jobs to perform and other things to perform.
[00:47:30.000] City Manager Rob Vine: yours is just as important as anybody else's
[00:47:33.000] City Manager Rob Vine: but if it's 30 of the same thing and we think we've already answered it the first time
[00:47:39.000] City Manager Rob Vine: and Austin or Lee looks at it and says hey you've already presented that
[00:47:44.000] City Manager Rob Vine: you should at least be getting a response back that says hey we think we've....
[00:47:48.000] Kyle Moring: all I get is no responsive records
[00:47:49.000] City Manager Rob Vine: okay well maybe so maybe that's maybe we need to change that to this is our ask and answer however they want to put it.
[00:47:58.000] Kyle Moring: And it's, you know, Candias has certified things that literally are incorrect.
[00:48:05.000] Kyle Moring: Like I filed a complaint with the attorney general's office about an
[00:48:10.000] Kyle Moring: incomplete production and you filed as like withholding, you know, not giving the full amount.
[00:48:17.000] Kyle Moring: So she said she got it on October 22nd, signed it, sent it back in saying we gave everything.
[00:48:27.000] Kyle Moring: She said the only complaints have been you and the record request.
[00:48:31.000] Kyle Moring: Yeah, which wasn't true. There was two anonymous complaints I sent in just to verify to see if she would count it.
[00:48:37.000] Kyle Moring: It showed up on the meeting, the city manager's report.
[00:48:42.000] Kyle Moring: She never said anything about it, did not produce them.
[00:48:46.000] Kyle Moring: There was another phone call that was a complaint.
[00:48:51.000] Kyle Moring: I know it happened. I have proof of it.
[00:48:54.000] Kyle Moring: She certified that to the Attorney General's office.
[00:49:03.000] Kyle Moring: especially when I know there's other things, but it doesn't make sense.
[00:49:06.000] Kyle Moring: It doesn't add up.
[00:49:09.000] Kyle Moring: Okay.
[00:49:13.000] Kyle Moring: And it's, you know, I don't know.
[00:49:18.000] Kyle Moring: And, you know, the template thing, where one of the first ones,
[00:49:22.000] Kyle Moring: she sent me a template as a response for the record request.
[00:49:26.000] Kyle Moring: It was a Cibolo, Texas. Cibolo or whatever, you know, near San Antonio.
[00:49:31.000] Kyle Moring: And Reem's law firm was representing them at one point.
[00:49:37.000] Kyle Moring: And it had their city secretary's email on it and everything else for that city.
[00:49:49.000] Kyle Moring: the records that I needed, if I had to pay for something or anything.
[00:49:52.000] Kyle Moring: It's the fact that there's all these inconsistencies,
[00:50:00.000] Kyle Moring: the Moring and Walmart related record requests, he had the wrong name on it, he had [another requestor],
[00:50:04.000] Kyle Moring: he had the wrong name on it, he had Bolster,
[00:50:11.000] Kyle Moring: and it said Mr. Bolster, and then had the cost estimate.
[00:50:15.000] Kyle Moring: That's not good.
[00:50:15.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Attention to detail.
[~00:50:16–00:50:20] City Manager Rob Vine: I would agree with you on that.
[~00:50:16–00:50:20] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: Yeah, 100%.
[00:50:22.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: We know Steve, too.
[00:50:25.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: He's not a bad guy.
[00:50:26.000] Kyle Moring: Yeah, he was doing the record request with Holly, right?
[00:50:30.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: Yeah, yeah.
[00:50:30.000] Kyle Moring: Not a bad guy. But see, this was like before I left.
[00:50:32.000] Kyle Moring: But see, this was like before I left.
[00:50:35.000] Kyle Moring: This is what I sent to Walmart corporate.
[00:50:39.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: This was before you got... Yeah.
[00:50:43.000] Kyle Moring: I don't know why this isn't working. Yeah.
[00:50:57.000] Kyle Moring: I have no idea.
[00:51:04.000] Kyle Moring: Do I have to press anything?
[00:51:07.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: I don't know how you do it. Try to unplug the HDMI and plug it back in.
[00:51:14.000] City Manager Rob Vine: There you go. Let's just go sleep here once more.
[00:51:28.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Okay.
[00:51:32.000] City Manager Rob Vine: let's do that
[00:51:36.000] Kyle Moring: I should do it now
[00:51:43.000] Kyle Moring: but this was in December of 24
[00:51:47.000] Kyle Moring: I mean, during, you know, shopping hours.
[00:51:53.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: And you said this happens every year?
[00:51:55.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: changed the roof
[00:51:55.000] Kyle Moring: it was until finally, you know, they got the...
[00:51:58.000] Kyle Moring: Yeah.
[00:52:00.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: do you know what initiated them fixing the roof?
[00:52:06.000] Kyle Moring: So they said it was already in the works.
[00:52:08.000] Kyle Moring: And from what I can tell based off the permits, someone came out the summer in 2024, looked at the roof.
[00:52:17.000] Kyle Moring: But what I was told was they didn't want to pay that much.
[00:52:22.000] Kyle Moring: Like it was a bidding process and they wanted other bids.
[00:52:27.000] Kyle Moring: It's really weird because the guy that came out in 2024 technically works for the same exact company as Thomas Brevard.
[00:52:33.000] Kyle Moring: It's like North American roofing or something.
[00:52:41.000] Kyle Moring: which is his own smaller company from West Virginia or something,
[00:52:45.000] Kyle Moring: and then subcontracted it to someone else.
[00:52:49.000] Kyle Moring: And that's when they did it. But it was never...
[00:52:55.000] Kyle Moring: a real priority until... I mean, when I emailed Paul Llewellyn,
[00:52:57.000] Kyle Moring: I mean, when I emailed Paul Llewellyn, they had home office come down that night.
[00:53:03.000] Kyle Moring: So...
[00:53:05.000] Kyle Moring: There was a guy named B.A. Glass, who's like the director of real estate for Walmart, that kind of started looking at it.
[00:53:10.000] Kyle Moring: But it still, you know, was six months before they even did anything about it.
[00:53:20.000] Kyle Moring: but it's like the
[00:53:23.000] Kyle Moring: another thing I didn't touch base on Um... the inspection reports for the food
[00:53:28.000] Kyle Moring: the state inspected on the 28th
[00:53:31.000] Kyle Moring: the retail food there was a substantiated complaint they found a bunch of violations
[00:53:36.000] Kyle Moring: That was the same day Juan Ramirez came in, said there was no violations observed.
[00:53:41.000] Kyle Moring: And one of the violations that the state noticed was there was no hot water in the produce bakery or deli hand wash things.
[00:53:52.000] Kyle Moring: And they said they put in a ticket and it was going to be corrected.
[00:54:02.000] Kyle Moring: That was not corrected until the state and the city came back on October 28th, gave them a violation again.
[00:54:11.000] Kyle Moring: The city said that it was passed.
[00:54:15.000] Kyle Moring: You know, there was no major violations.
[00:54:19.000] Kyle Moring: the state noted eight violations, same exact thing.
[00:54:24.000] Kyle Moring: So how does that happen?
[00:54:25.000] Kyle Moring: I mean, you've got two different agencies saying,
[00:54:28.000] Kyle Moring: one saying nothing's wrong, the other one saying there is stuff wrong.
[00:54:34.000] Kyle Moring: The bakery ceiling like this was falling in in the back, and the city passed them.
[00:54:41.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: And what date, roughly, what date was it?
[00:54:43.000] Kyle Moring: October 28th.
[00:54:44.000] Kyle Moring: And it says Candace was there, Lynn was there, John and Oziel.
[00:54:55.000] Kyle Moring: And, you know, reading Lynn's emails about me, saying that I'm on a vendetta, she had just met with the state.
[00:55:04.000] Kyle Moring: they met on the 17th.
[00:55:06.000] Kyle Moring: She sent that email to you, I think, on the 23rd,
[00:55:13.000] Kyle Moring: and the state agencies knew it was a vendetta too.
[00:55:17.000] Kyle Moring: The only state agency I believe that she would have talked to is DSHS.
[00:55:24.000] Kyle Moring: or re-inspect it, I reported them to the commissioner of DSHS, Jennifer Shuford.
[00:55:29.000] Kyle Moring: And wow, they came out and inspected again.
[00:55:40.000] Kyle Moring: You know, the asbestos thing was unfounded.
[00:55:43.000] Kyle Moring: The asbestos survey wasn't necessary when it is necessary.
[00:55:47.000] Kyle Moring: NESHAP
[00:55:52.000] Kyle Moring: So that's, I feel like, is an accountability problem.
[00:55:56.000] City Manager Rob Vine: just for clarification and I'm asking the asbestos was not in the area they were working
[00:56:02.000] Kyle Moring: so the asbestos they found but
[00:56:06.000] Kyle Moring: because of that they can't say it wasn't
[00:56:08.000] City Manager Rob Vine: nor can we say it was
[00:56:10.000] City Manager Rob Vine: for all fairness
[00:56:18.000] Kyle Moring: It was closer to the garden center.
[00:56:23.000] Kyle Moring: But the problem with the way they, I feel like the way they handle it, and that's what the asbestos guy said,
[00:56:28.000] Kyle Moring: you know, if they don't follow the abatement procedures or processes, that's...
[00:56:35.000] Kyle Moring: that's you know not even not on y'all at all
[00:56:41.000] Kyle Moring: And especially with those type of contracts,
[00:56:44.000] Kyle Moring: that's technically on Walmart.
[00:56:46.000] City Manager Rob Vine: And the state should go back to Walmart and/or contractor
[00:56:53.000] City Manager Rob Vine: There's no argument there at all.
[00:56:56.000] Kyle Moring: My thing is, you know, how did the work get approved?
[00:57:05.000] Kyle Moring: the CapEx remodel. That's the refrigeration units that we can put in.
[00:57:09.000] Kyle Moring: So I guess they split it up, but they had told, you know, TDLR, it was all going to be one project.
[00:57:16.000] Kyle Moring: and you can't do that either.
[00:57:19.000] Kyle Moring: It's kind of like a shell game with what they're doing with each project.
[00:57:25.000] Kyle Moring: Well, the CapEx stuff was going on right around the same time as the roof,
[00:57:30.000] Kyle Moring: and no permits in place.
[00:57:33.000] Kyle Moring: It was all signed off.
[00:57:35.000] Kyle Moring: And there was no review by the city on the actual remodels from what they told me.
[00:57:44.000] Kyle Moring: it's just I don't get how that happens when I know people that have small businesses here that get I mean yes
[00:57:52.000] Kyle Moring: and like they're sticklers
[00:57:55.000] Kyle Moring: for stuff so it's I just noticed a lot of
[00:58:01.000] Kyle Moring: kind of discrepancies
[00:58:03.000] Kyle Moring: And I just was trying to figure it out.
[00:58:05.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: Sure. Thanks for bringing it to us.
[00:58:10.000] Kyle Moring: I guess this stuff... I do want to ask, they use the HS cloud for the inspections? You know, the
[00:58:17.000] Kyle Moring: reporting system?
[00:58:19.000] Kyle Moring: Next door?
[00:58:21.000] Kyle Moring: You can look it up technically online, but you can't here.
[00:58:26.000] Kyle Moring: None of it's accessible, but in like the NET Health for Tyler, same as that platform, you
[00:58:32.000] Kyle Moring: can see everything.
[00:58:34.000] City Manager Rob Vine: So there is, and Lin was telling me this, they transitioned, and I don't know when they did it, but they transitioned from one platform to another.
[00:58:42.000] Kyle Moring: From myGov to the...
[00:58:44.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Right, from myGov to the one that they have.
[00:58:46.000] City Manager Rob Vine: And when they did, some of the data didn't migrate as it should have.
[00:58:53.000] City Manager Rob Vine: I don't know if it didn't migrate, if all the fields didn't populate, or if this field was filled and the data, it just turned it into like a PDF file.
[00:59:02.000] City Manager Rob Vine: It didn't generate or populate the field, but it took a picture of it and moved it over here, so it's not searchable.
[00:59:10.000] City Manager Rob Vine: I don't know if that's the case, but she did say on some of their cases the
[00:59:19.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: do we have paperwork on that?
[00:59:23.000] City Manager Rob Vine: I imagine you would
[00:59:27.000] City Manager Rob Vine: if I'm using that software platform in law enforcement you do this if you do data migration you're going to lose a certain percentage of it or just gonna duplicate it.
[00:59:37.000] Kyle Moring: this is one of the ones that they produced and this was way after they were originally supposed to produce it
[00:59:44.000] Kyle Moring: I had requested this one with other food inspections.
[00:59:48.000] Kyle Moring: This got produced three months later in a different production, even though it was printed on the same date.
[00:59:54.000] Kyle Moring: But for a grease drop inspection, this is what I got.
[01:00:00.000] Kyle Moring: That was it.
[01:00:03.000] City Manager Rob Vine: I do know there was a question.
[01:00:07.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Sometimes this particular individual did not fill out notes. when he did inspections, that could be a possibility.
[01:00:17.000] Kyle Moring: And it's like I told Candias, you know, I got the...
[01:00:23.000] Kyle Moring: They dated back to 2018, the food inspection reports.
[01:00:27.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Only what?
[01:00:27.857] Kyle Moring: One B grade.
[01:00:29.143] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Oh, okay.
[01:00:30.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: And all the other ones were A's?
[01:00:33.000] Kyle Moring: Yeah. And that's, you know, kind of questionable too, but...
[01:00:40.000] Kyle Moring: there was let's say this one
[01:00:54.000] Kyle Moring: so when I asked for like a complete case file for the store they said there was
[01:01:02.000] Kyle Moring: none back Austin back so there was none
[01:01:05.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Like a case file for the inspections.
[01:01:11.000] Kyle Moring: And it's like they put some of them, and it's still like this, they put some of them in
[01:01:17.000] Kyle Moring: the health cloud one, My Health, and then the other ones were in Gov because My Gov
[01:01:24.000] Kyle Moring: is more of a property, you know, maintenance one.
[01:01:27.000] Kyle Moring: It doesn't do health inspections.
[01:01:29.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Well, it could, but you have to force it.
[01:01:46.000] Kyle Moring: And it said still not finished around the edges.
[01:01:51.000] Kyle Moring: And they said this was the final roof inspection.
[01:01:55.000] Kyle Moring: Roofing final.
[01:01:57.000] Kyle Moring: The roof work went on for another like three weeks and it was still leaking after that.
[01:02:03.000] City Manager Rob Vine: They didn't go back out?
[01:02:04.000] Kyle Moring: No.
[01:02:05.000] Kyle Moring: Not from what the records they produced.
[01:02:09.000] Kyle Moring: They just said, you know, very minimal, took these pictures, and that was it.
[01:02:16.000] Kyle Moring: And it's like, that's, you know...
[01:02:20.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: I mean, I agree, because...
[01:02:22.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: The complaint I get more than anything is that code enforcement is...
[01:02:28.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: They are sticklers, right?
[01:02:31.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: If you've got something, they'll find something.
[01:02:38.000] Kyle Moring: this was the same day.
[01:02:41.000] Kyle Moring: There was nothing...
[01:02:44.000] Kyle Moring: That's the roofing one. There was nothing documented. Even the bakery one, let's say on the 9th. And this was better than on the 13th of this January.
[01:02:53.000] Kyle Moring: They went out there and did an inspection.
[01:02:55.000] Kyle Moring: It has no notes on it.
[01:02:57.000] Kyle Moring: It just got 100 for each one.
[01:03:01.000] Kyle Moring: This was Juan Ramirez's on July 9th, during the middle of the roof work.
[01:03:10.000] Kyle Moring: And got an A.
[01:03:12.000] Kyle Moring: And that's all that was provided.
[01:03:13.000] Kyle Moring: And then, like, the ones that did provide the documentation and observation pages, they're mainly blank.
[01:03:20.000] Kyle Moring: there was no temperature, you know, being monitored or any type of, no photos.
[01:03:27.000] Kyle Moring: If you look at the ones with the same type of stuff for NET Health at Walmart,
[01:03:32.000] Kyle Moring: it's just all documentation.
[01:03:35.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Is that the same person or no?
[01:03:37.000] Kyle Moring: No, that's a different city, but it's like the same basic,
[01:03:40.000] Kyle Moring: they're going off the same rules.
[01:03:46.000] Kyle Moring: especially when they were passing them and sending these letters in to Walmart and to the state saying,
[01:03:51.000] Kyle Moring: there's no violations observed.
[01:03:53.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: And the state are finding violations.
[01:03:55.000] Kyle Moring: On the same day.
[01:03:56.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: That ain't good.
[01:03:59.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Mhm. Well Mr. Ramirez is not with the City anymore.
[01:04:02.000] Kyle Moring: And it's not just, you know, I'm not... And I would just add to the side, it has nothing to do with
[01:04:05.000] City Manager Rob Vine: And I would just add to the side, it has nothing to do with Walmart or anything else.
[01:04:09.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Okay. It doesn't even have to do with job performance.
[01:04:13.000] Kyle Moring: Well, I know you guys got rid of the pre-treatment department.
[01:04:16.194] City Manager Rob Vine: that's what it has everything to do with.
[01:04:18.516] Kyle Moring: Yeah. The thing with the state, though, even, how do you give
[01:04:23.000] Kyle Moring: eight violations... and no even like, you know, reprimand or anything,
[01:04:28.000] Kyle Moring: just a corrective notice when the last time those violations were there, and they didn't correct them.
[01:04:34.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: That's a state issue.
[01:04:36.000] Kyle Moring: No, I understand that, but it's not just me harping on the city.
[01:04:40.000] Kyle Moring: I definitely harped on them about it too.
[01:04:42.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: It seems like that'd be easy money for this.
[01:04:47.000] Kyle Moring: money off of these fines and fees and it makes it a better place to go or
[01:04:51.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: anywhere. And it's not even about the money and the fines and fees that we want it to be safe for people
[01:04:57.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: It's repercussions.
[01:05:01.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Yeah, they'll actually, if they got to pay it one time, then they're going to...
[01:05:04.000] Kyle Moring: And I know this from, you know, just working there. One of the guys that works facility maintenance told me, you know, there's other cities that anytime they go in to a Walmart, they have to get It's a plumbing permit, an electrical permit.
[01:05:18.000] Kyle Moring: And he said they never have to do that here.
[01:05:19.000] Kyle Moring: But this is not the only city that kind of is lax about it.
[01:05:26.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: And that's something you can look at, right, Rob?
[01:05:30.000] City Manager Rob Vine: You would put that into an ordinance.
[01:05:33.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Rob is by the book.
[01:05:36.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: absolutely by the book and the code enforcement definitely looks like that's
[01:05:40.000] City Manager Rob Vine: I will speak to this. A lot of our ordinances are out of date.
[01:05:47.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Especially like our building ordinances. They're from like the 80s some of them.
[01:05:50.000] City Manager Rob Vine: we were talking about it was ’86
[01:05:52.164] Kyle Moring: Yeah
[01:05:52.782] City Manager Rob Vine: We don’t even have mini-storage in there so as we are finding that we have got to correct it
[01:05:58.655] Kyle Moring: Mhmm
[01:05:59.273] City Manager Rob Vine: but that's every department.
[01:06:00.509] Kyle Moring: Yeah
[01:06:01.127] City Manager Rob Vine: not just to say PD and fire uh but like code enforcement is going to be the same thing.
[01:06:07.000] Kyle Moring: Well, it's kind of like the fire department, the annual inspection thing.
[01:06:10.000] Kyle Moring: I mean, how do you go from 2021?
[01:06:13.000] Kyle Moring: There's, I think it was 16 violations observed, no signs of correction.
[01:06:18.000] Kyle Moring: And then the next annual inspection was 2024 of January, January, 2024, multiple violations still there.
[01:06:27.000] Kyle Moring: nothing in between for annual inspection.
[01:06:31.000] Kyle Moring: site. And when I asked about it to the state fire marshal's office, they And... were very blunt about it. They said due to the home charter or home rule, they can't do anything about it. It's up to
[01:06:44.000] Kyle Moring: NPFD. And And that the one, you know, I think it was Rodriguez sent an email on July or January 9th of this year saying they did a follow up inspection, but there was no documentation, no photos. And from what's been reported to me, a couple of those things have not been fixed.
[01:06:56.000] Kyle Moring: And from what's been reported to me, a couple of those things have not been fixed.
[01:07:03.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: Kyle, there was about four years when the city had no leadership whatsoever.
[01:07:07.000] Kyle Moring: I understand that.
[01:07:08.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: And we, I'm on here now and I was one of the ones that helped get rid of those people.
[01:07:16.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: Now I need a lot of help trying to fix things and Rob, we brought him in because I think he's a good human and he's like, "I think we'll get it done."
[01:07:23.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: And there's lots of things we're working on and I think today he heard some stuff from you that we're going to work on.
[01:07:29.000] City Manager Rob Vine: and I'll let you take a picture of my notes before you leave
[01:07:34.000] City Manager Rob Vine: one more thing I'm not trying to rush you out of here
[01:07:36.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: I'm not trying to rush you out of here
[01:07:42.000] Kyle Moring: Regina Reynolds sent to Walmart on November 18th of last year, 2025
[01:07:46.000] Kyle Moring: It was the food health permits for the store, bakery, produce, and grocery, and deli, for all of next year.
[01:07:57.000] Kyle Moring: Saying, you know, thanking them for doing such a great job of following. Following all the codes and everything.
[01:08:05.000] Kyle Moring: And, I mean, there's been asbestos violations, multiple, you know, state health violations, and.
[01:08:12.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Is that a form letter, email she sends out?
[01:08:15.000] Kyle Moring: It's, I mean, John signed them on October 20th.
[01:08:22.000] Kyle Moring: And it went to Diana Sayad, I don't even know how to say it,
[01:08:27.000] Kyle Moring: S-A-Y-A-X-O-M-P-H-O-U at walmart.com.
[01:08:33.000] Kyle Moring: And it's like, how does this just get...
[01:08:35.000] Kyle Moring: She did it the year before, too.
[01:08:38.000] Kyle Moring: I mean, all three of them for the next year?
[01:08:41.000] City Manager Rob Vine: That's why I'm wondering if it's a form letter that just goes out to every business.
[01:08:45.000] Kyle Moring: No, it was directly to Walmart.
[01:08:46.000] City Manager Rob Vine: No, I mean, does everybody get one?
[01:08:48.000] City Manager Rob Vine: They just change the email.
[01:08:49.000] Kyle Moring: That might be it.
[01:08:51.000] City Manager Rob Vine: No, I'll look into that.
[01:08:52.000] Kyle Moring: Yeah, because it was an application, but I don't know if it was Walmart's application or what.
[01:08:56.000] City Manager Rob Vine: And sometimes it was... It was October...
[01:09:01.000] City Manager Rob Vine: I'm trying to think if we had MyGov, because sometimes your platform will automatically generate those.
[01:09:06.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Sometimes.
[01:09:07.000] City Manager Rob Vine: I don't know if it does or not.
[01:09:08.000] City Manager Rob Vine: You can program that, but even if you do program it, you need...
[01:09:12.000] City Manager Rob Vine: It's still, I mean, you need to double check.
[01:09:15.000] City Manager Rob Vine: It's great to use, but it better be checked by a human.
[01:09:19.000] Kyle Moring: I give you credit for using the AI and stuff.
[01:09:24.000] Kyle Moring: And it's like, I mean, hey, it...
[01:09:27.000] Kyle Moring: Learn how to adapt with it.
[01:09:29.000] Kyle Moring: It's a tool.
[01:09:32.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Yeah, exactly.
[01:09:33.000] Kyle Moring: If you rely on it, you're going to look like a fool.
[01:09:36.000] Kyle Moring: Right. But it is definitely a good skill to have.
[01:09:39.000] City Manager Rob Vine: That's why we're creating the policy, because it can be abused.
[01:09:42.000] Kyle Moring: I mean, that's confidential stuff, too. I mean, you upload it.
[01:09:47.000] City Manager Rob Vine: We want to protect our data.
[01:09:51.000] Kyle Moring: I think there's this...
[01:09:58.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: I mean I think personally as a normal person
[01:10:01.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: if they fail an inspection or they have stuff that is inspected
[01:10:05.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: any kind of normal process would be to get it corrected within a timely
[01:10:11.000] Kyle Moring: and I mentioned in one of the memorandums to you like I had reports
[01:10:18.000] Kyle Moring: The code enforcement people confirming it was me to Walmart management filing the complaints.
[01:10:25.000] Kyle Moring: Like, it's... So that was an issue.
[01:10:32.000] Kyle Moring: I don't know who it was.
[01:10:35.000] Kyle Moring: Whoever inspected on August 20th.
[01:10:37.000] Kyle Moring: I don't know who was with Juan Ramirez, if Ankrum was with him too.
[01:10:41.000] Kyle Moring: Walmart asked you know …do, no, the city asked Walmart do you know who's filing this and they said it was my
[01:10:52.000] Kyle Moring: name and
[01:10:53.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Wow that's (unclear)
[01:10:54.500] Kyle Moring: and the City said that sounds familiar and just nodded and kept walking…
[01:11:01.000] Kyle Moring: But it's like, come on, you're confirming it. You know,
[01:11:09.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Right.
[01:11:09.500] Kyle Moring: I mean, that’s definitely not good.
[01:11:11.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: So we go out there tomorrow and we inspect something, we find something.
[01:11:17.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: what's the procedure we should follow
[01:11:21.000] City Manager Rob Vine: I don't know what it is here
[01:11:24.000] City Manager Rob Vine: this is general in any city
[01:11:32.000] City Manager Rob Vine: you've got X amount of time to correct it
[01:11:35.000] City Manager Rob Vine: unless it's so egregious that you've got to shut them down right now
[01:11:42.000] Kyle Moring: But the coolers, I'm telling you, the people that still work there said that there's multiple complaints about the smell.
[01:11:53.000] Kyle Moring: And when before they were switched over, I had them temping at, you know, 65 degrees.
[01:11:58.000] Kyle Moring: And it was still being sold the next day.
[01:12:04.000] Kyle Moring: but I filed those anonymous complaints with the city
[01:12:13.000] City Manager Rob Vine: So why don't we have either we could either have a workshop, or we could have—because we are starting to
[01:12:18.586] City Manager Rob Vine: introduce different processes to council. I don’t want to make our meetings three hours long.
[01:12:22.775] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: Yeah please don't do that.
[01:12:24.172] City Manager Rob Vine: … But we could have someone come up and say, ‘Hey, just for council and the public, if this were to happen,
[01:12:30.316] City Manager Rob Vine: here’s our process.’
[01:12:31.154] City Manager Rob Vine: And I think I need to meet with them internally, we want to make sure that process is what it should be.
[01:12:37.298] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: Yeah
[01:12:37.857] City Manager Rob Vine: And then after we tweak it, then bring it forward and say hey here's this is it should be best practices. TML
[01:12:44.001] City Manager Rob Vine: has sample..
[01:12:44.560] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Right
[01:12:45.118] City Manager Rob Vine: policies you can pick up… and if we need training, we can have the state come in. They would be happy to come in
[01:12:51.821] City Manager Rob Vine: and say..because we are taking...I don't want to say taking jobs but we are taking work off their hands...but we
[01:12:57.407] City Manager Rob Vine: are augmenting their services
[01:12:58.524] Kyle Moring: Mhmm
[01:12:59.083] City Manager Rob Vine: because we are local.
[01:13:04.000] Kyle Moring: Well, the health or the food was the 13th.
[01:13:08.000] Kyle Moring: January, yeah.
[01:13:09.000] Kyle Moring: And there was no documentation on it at all.
[01:13:12.000] Kyle Moring: No notes.
[01:13:13.000] Kyle Moring: Oziel and the other guy.
[01:13:15.000] Kyle Moring: I forget his name.
[01:13:21.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: we can find out why there's no documented...
[01:13:23.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: I mean, there needs to be.
[01:13:25.000] Kyle Moring: Those socks, the absorbent socks.
[01:13:27.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Yeah, weren't you saying there was mold and stuff on them too?
[01:13:31.800] Kyle Moring: So like, they were shoved up all under here, and they just leave them there, absorbing it. Because from what I
[01:13:37.877] Kyle Moring: got, the plans, all the CapEx plans and the remodel plans, I’ve literally combed through all of them. What
[01:13:43.376] Kyle Moring: they’re supposed to do with these drains is, like, if they you know the drains that are under here if they were
[01:13:49.742] Kyle Moring: exposed more than 50 percent, they were supposed to completely redo the whole thing. What they did was they took
[01:13:55.530] Kyle Moring: the shell off the outside and then slapped on a new one and put on a new top, and that was it. Some of them got
[01:14:03.055] Kyle Moring: replaced, but a lot of them in the plans didn’t even call for replacement.
[01:14:07.106] City Manager Rob Vine: So it would take longer to get to 50 percent.
[01:14:18.000] Kyle Moring: I'm not trying to get arrested. But the people that I talked to said that there's still complaints about the temperature and the smell of the meat.
[01:14:30.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Who is the manager down there right now?
[01:14:33.019] Kyle Moring: Well Carrie retired
[01:14:34.151] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Right, do you know the current one?
[01:14:36.792] Kyle Moring: There's not one.
[01:14:37.925] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Oh there's not?
[01:14:39.057] Kyle Moring: They’re looking for one,
[01:14:40.566] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Assistant manager?
[01:14:41.321] Kyle Moring: Uh they hired a new guy Devin went to Tyler, so I don't remember the new guy's name but they just got hired?
[01:14:50.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Do you think they did that to try to correct some of this stuff?
[01:14:53.000] Kyle Moring: I can't say.
[01:14:56.000] Kyle Moring: I don't know about causation.
[01:14:58.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Yeah, I was just curious.
[01:15:12.000] Kyle Moring: sometimes there wouldn't even be anything to catch the water
[01:15:33.000] Kyle Moring: I don't know how they could have resolved it the way they put them in.
[01:15:37.000] Kyle Moring: It doesn't make sense to me because I had requested the utilities and power
[01:15:57.000] Kyle Moring: out to look at it not the city but they had to do a fire watch they had to pay all the the
[01:16:08.000] City Manager Rob Vine: That was like 22, 23?
[01:16:10.000] Kyle Moring: 23. It was right before the remodel.
[01:16:15.000] Kyle Moring: And they'd just done the parking lot, redone the whole parking lot.
[01:16:18.000] Kyle Moring: They had to dig it all back up because I had to file the insurance claim and it was huge.
[01:16:21.000] Kyle Moring: But it almost backed up to, I guess the lines meet between the water and the...
[01:16:32.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Water and sewer shouldn't ever be.
[01:16:35.000] City Manager Rob Vine: It should be six feet.
[01:16:40.000] Kyle Moring: And they said it would have been a real big issue if it hadn't been caught when it was.
[01:16:45.000] City Manager Rob Vine: That’s generally why you have those (unclear) with grease traps and restaurants and kitchens have a back flow
[01:16:52.660] City Manager Rob Vine: protector it's usual a double check
[01:16:55.213] City Manager Rob Vine: Because if it doesn’t, all that grease then just snakes back like ugh and gets in the water system…
[01:17:03.298] City Manager Rob Vine: everybody else is sick
[01:17:05.000] Kyle Moring: And I'm going to tell you that the grease going in there is a consistent problem with the Walmart deli.
[01:17:13.000] Kyle Moring: It is a known issue.
[01:17:23.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: So how does that get graded or checked out?
[01:17:26.000] City Manager Rob Vine: There is a checklist that they have to fill out.
[01:17:30.000] City Manager Rob Vine: And sometimes and I don't know with this system, sometimes you will fill it out like a police report. I’ll fill
[01:17:36.485] City Manager Rob Vine: out six pages, but when you do an open-record request, you get the first page, bulk of it’s redacted. You get
[01:17:42.971] City Manager Rob Vine: the second page and the top half of the third page. That’s it. And all it will say is, ‘Officer took a report,
[01:17:50.074] City Manager Rob Vine: burglary.’ That’s it.
[01:17:51.000] City Manager Rob Vine: It could be the same thing with the health.
[01:17:54.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Everything else is filled out, but you're going to get the public version.
[01:18:02.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Could you look at and see if there is any
[01:18:04.000] City Manager Rob Vine: You could probably look at the application and determine if everything else was filled out, but if you hit print public copy, you're going to get the public version.
[01:18:12.000] Kyle Moring: But I think that the health inspection, they have to have it on hand at the store for public distribution.
[01:18:19.000] Kyle Moring: Technically, that's the rules.
[01:18:37.000] Kyle Moring: So the only thing I've heard about these is the main bunker coolers in the middle.
[01:18:42.000] Kyle Moring: There's still being complaints about the temperature regulation, the leaks, and then...
[01:18:47.000] Kyle Moring: You know the smell.
[01:18:49.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Yeah I mean I would think they'd be reporting on the inspection of the temperature of those things for sure.
[01:18:54.000] Kyle Moring: There was no, on the January 13th, no temperature at all.
[01:18:57.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: So nothing was logged.
[01:18:59.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: That you could see and like it may be in there.
[01:19:04.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: So can you check to see if there is like that?
[01:19:07.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Because I'm curious.
[01:19:10.000] City Manager Rob Vine: I know I was there a couple weeks ago.
[01:19:13.273] City Manager Rob Vine: As I was going through, my wife said, let's go down this aisle.
[01:19:18.000] City Manager Rob Vine: And I'm like, well, I want to look at the temperatures.
[01:19:20.000] City Manager Rob Vine: So I'm checking out the temperatures.
[01:19:28.000] City Manager Rob Vine: You could probably program that.
[01:19:29.000] Kyle Moring: Well, that's the thing.
[01:19:30.000] City Manager Rob Vine: But I was cold.
[01:19:32.000] Kyle Moring: Yeah, that's all that matters.
[01:19:33.000] City Manager Rob Vine: It's working.
[01:19:40.000] Kyle Moring: And it was blinking like KE2.
[01:19:43.000] Kyle Moring: And I looked up the model online, and it meant that it wasn't connected to the main system.
[01:19:48.000] Kyle Moring: And that stayed like that from the time they put it in until I got CT'd.
[01:19:55.000] Kyle Moring: You know, there's a lot of things that can be corrected, but it's just kind of getting it done.
[01:20:14.400] [Personal discussion omitted. Silence preserves elapsed time.]
[01:20:48.000] Kyle Moring: I was going to work there part-time to pay off my student loans.
[01:20:58.000] Kyle Moring: And a lot of this stuff didn't impact me personally.
[01:21:15.000] Kyle Moring: No, I like Jack a lot
[01:21:16.200] City Manager Rob Vine: I love Jack I have known him for years.
[01:21:18.000] Kyle Moring: But that's what gets me is, you know, I felt like I was in a position to where I could use my knowledge, my words, to put it out there and try to get it resolved.
[01:21:29.000] City Manager Rob Vine: I've got to go meet with the fire chief.
[01:21:31.000] City Manager Rob Vine: I'm sorry, do you want to take pictures of these before I go?
[01:21:38.000] City Manager Rob Vine: I'm being funny.
[01:21:44.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: We're here for the citizens.
[01:21:45.000] Kyle Moring: And it's like, I don't want to seem like...
[01:21:49.000] Kyle Moring: It's just attacking each other.
[01:21:51.000] Kyle Moring: The records produced are just missing a bunch of stuff that I know.
[01:21:55.000] Kyle Moring: it doesn't just line up
[01:21:57.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: We'll see what we can find on some of that stuff.
[01:22:00.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Well, you saw the red stars.
[01:22:01.000] City Manager Rob Vine: That's what I'm going to look at.
[01:22:04.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: If we have problems internally with the city and they are not doing their job properly this man's going to fix it up for you and we're working towards lot of goals.
[01:22:13.000] Kyle Moring: The thing that upset me was April Nipp forwarding forwarding all my unrelated MPPD open records to Detective
[01:22:21.208] Kyle Moring: Odom. That's I don't think thats necessary.
[01:22:25.000] Kyle Moring: I record requested other things that she had no idea what they really were for.
[01:22:29.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: I think that's what she told me she does when she gets a record request.
[01:22:32.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: She sends it to the person that's over.
[01:22:35.000] Kyle Moring: But it didn't have anything to do with... Odom at all.
[01:22:42.000] Kyle Moring: one was a traffic case,
[01:22:44.000] City Manager Rob Vine: He was in the investigator?
[01:22:45.000] Kyle Moring: No, he wasn't.
[01:22:47.000] Kyle Moring: It was an MPPD SWAT event,
[01:22:51.000] Kyle Moring: She wrote, he's at it again, and forwarded the message. My message.
[01:22:57.000] City Manager Rob Vine: He wasn't involved in it then.
[01:23:05.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Yeah I think that uh Rob feel bad for Rob, he actually just got his six-month his review. It was great. He's got
[01:23:10.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: [Overlapping Lyon] Jack Smith called me and said I got something for you to read. […] I spoke first words to
[01:23:14.645] Mayor Wesley Lyon: so many fires to put out. But uh,
[01:23:18.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: I haven't read it all.
[01:23:19.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Do you need it? Do you want me to hang on to it? I mean I've got it.
[01:23:22.698] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: Jack Smith in my life was yesterday(...)I know who he is but uh I have always tried to steer clear of him.
[01:23:23.000] Mayor Pro Tem Carl Hinton: But uh, no I mean give it to me. And uh I didn't know if you knew what was going around.
[01:23:27.000] City Manager Rob Vine: Oh I did.
[01:23:28.000] Kyle Moring: I just my main issue is just the Walmart is being addressed
[01:23:33.106] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Yeah and you are talking about the...
[01:23:36.085] Kyle Moring: A lot of the current employees feel like Walmart gets away with everything and everything's overlooked
[01:23:42.894] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Right
[01:23:43.745] Kyle Moring: and that's why they feel despondent about ever reporting something.
[01:23:55.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: I always irritate them all
[01:23:57.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: because I know there are things that I'm supposed to say and I'm not supposed to say and I respect that to a certain extent
[01:24:04.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: until things aren't getting done
[01:24:09.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: and I've also heard from Candace too
[01:24:12.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: You know I think maybe and that's why he will be checking on it but maybe that Shawn guy or whatever, maybe he
[01:24:19.868] Mayor Wesley Lyon: isn't looking it up right.
[01:24:21.579] Kyle Moring: Yeah
[01:24:22.263] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Whats up Chief
[01:24:23.289] MPFD Chief Larry McRae: Good how are you?
[01:24:24.658] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Fantastic.
[01:24:25.342] Kyle Moring: Yeah if I just knew like the search
[01:24:28.079] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Yeah exactly you should get the search parameters to see
[01:24:31.500] Kyle Moring: How I can fine tune it you know
[01:24:34.237] Mayor Wesley Lyon: I mean yeah that's, maybe they don't (unclear) but I'm technical
[01:24:44.000] Kyle Moring: I'll admit it, my delivery's not that good.
[01:24:53.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: if you continue to do things, and just focus on one thing at a particular time, so then the people that are in there also can understand what's going on.
[01:25:17.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: the reason there was no accountability was because there was no leadership
[01:25:21.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: we had good people that I've met
[01:25:24.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: so if you're not held accountable for 4 or 5 years a lot of people are going to lag.
[01:25:33.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: So I think you'll see a change in that.
[01:25:35.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: I'm really, really, really curious about this last inspection.
[01:25:38.000] Kyle Moring: Did you know that OSHA inspected Jay-Tex?
[01:25:40.727] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Nuh-uh.
[01:25:41.506] Kyle Moring: Yeah.
[01:25:42.286] Mayor Wesley Lyon: The one that burned down?
[01:25:44.234] Kyle Moring: Their main site on Jefferson.
[01:25:46.182] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Oh, okay.
[01:25:46.961] Kyle Moring: They inspected it on the 12th.
[01:25:49.299] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Oh, really?
[01:25:50.078] Kyle Moring: The only reason I knew that is that I looked up the establishment search just for the Walmart, and it popped up
[01:25:58.649] Kyle Moring: on it. I was like...
[01:26:00.597] Mayor Wesley Lyon: I didn’t even know that
[01:26:02.545] Mayor Wesley Lyon: I was always curious. I knew that was overflow
[01:26:06.052] Kyle Moring: No, there’s people working there.
[01:26:08.000] Kyle Moring: Yeah, the one on South Jefferson. 2-5-4-0.
[01:26:15.000] Kyle Moring: He's got two warehouses in Mount Vernon, too.
[01:26:19.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: I wish we would have done something with that building.
[01:26:29.000] Kyle Moring: They said it was built in 1939.
[01:26:42.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: That could be magnesium.
[01:26:44.000] Kyle Moring: Or lead. I mean, not the lead. The magnesium, yeah.
[01:26:55.000] Mayor Wesley Lyon: Because if it was magnesium and you're spraying water, then you're...